Heroes - S03E11 - The Eclipse: Part Two

132 Posted on Dec 1, 2008 in articles by Conor Kilpatrick |


Volume Three: Villains

Tonight's episode: The Eclipse: Part Two


Everywhere I go online I keep seeing the same headline over and over, "Can Seth Green and Breckin Meyer save Heroes?"  I dunno, can they?  Is there a rabid Breckin Meyer fanbase out there that I'm not aware of?  Don't get me wrong, I'm one of the few people that seems to find the guy to be charming on-screen, but c'mon.  And Seth Green?  Popular?  Yes.  That popular?  I dunno.

How did Green and Meyer do in saving Heroes last week?  Well, for only the second time all season, the numbers ticked up and not down.  7.85 million viewers last week as compared to 7.65 million the week before.  Last week's show even did slightly better than the show that aired two weeks ago.

So either Heroes is stabilizing and has found its season three number - in the 7.6-7.9 million range - or Seth Green and Breckin Meyer really did "save" Heroes and I then I have to question everything I know about the universe.

As always, I look forward to your thoughts, opinions, gripes, live-blogging, etc.

(Hold the fort down for me, folks.  I won't be here for the chat tonight.)

Comments

I'm Breckin Meyer....I was in Garfield!

Posted by TheNextChampion on 12/01/08 at 08:03 PM

Is this a lead up to Heroes: Star wars episode?

Posted by English on 12/01/08 at 08:31 PM

Who didn't love Breckin Meyer in Camp Cucamonga, the greatest TV movie of the '90s?

Posted by superfangirl on 12/01/08 at 08:55 PM

How great would it be if HRG blows Sylar and Electronica Mars away to start the night off?

Posted by dtjunkie on 12/01/08 at 09:01 PM

JesterGoblin reporting for live commentary

Posted by jestergoblin on 12/01/08 at 09:02 PM

if no one dies in this episode the eclispe was pointless. Unfortunately it seems the Hatian will probabaly get it

 

Posted by cyberauron on 12/01/08 at 09:03 PM

And Mohinder just got replaced as most pimping hero.

 

In other news, Zachary Quinto has the best job ever.

Posted by jestergoblin on 12/01/08 at 09:04 PM

wow hrg/sniper was pointless

 

Posted by tlavan on 12/01/08 at 09:05 PM

bennet is the best

Posted by cyberauron on 12/01/08 at 09:05 PM

He's just messing with them.

Posted by jestergoblin on 12/01/08 at 09:05 PM

More subtitles? Like I have time for these...

Posted by jestergoblin on 12/01/08 at 09:09 PM

oh man i cant believe scofield got setup my agent self... sucks

Posted by smeeeeee on 12/01/08 at 09:09 PM

suresh needs to get his but kicked

 

Posted by cyberauron on 12/01/08 at 09:11 PM

flint is an idiot

Posted by greendart32 on 12/01/08 at 09:11 PM

how many times can he make a deal with the devil and not get burned

Posted by cyberauron on 12/01/08 at 09:11 PM

george takei is in this episode

Posted by cyberauron on 12/01/08 at 09:12 PM

Pyro wannabe.

I didn't know Mohinder's weakness was a lighter.

Posted by jestergoblin on 12/01/08 at 09:12 PM

It's quiet without Conor...

Posted by jestergoblin on 12/01/08 at 09:14 PM

methinks powers will return now that the eclipse is leaving

 

Posted by greendart32 on 12/01/08 at 09:15 PM

wow matchstick got snuffed out

Posted by cyberauron on 12/01/08 at 09:15 PM

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

 

BEST. LINE. EVER.

Posted by jestergoblin on 12/01/08 at 09:17 PM

did any one figure out how the comic is being publish without issac

Posted by cyberauron on 12/01/08 at 09:17 PM

This show is pretty much just people yelling at each other to make a point now. It's like watching Romanian parliment sessions,

Posted by CleophusWayne on 12/01/08 at 09:19 PM

its like thanksgiving at my grandpa house

Posted by cyberauron on 12/01/08 at 09:20 PM

“First of all, thank you for referencing Isaac and his series. When I saw them pull out that comic, I nearly I nearly jumped for joy. Apparently Isaac has seen very far ahead into the future with his ‘9th Wonders’ comics, hasn't he? How is that comic still in publication when he is dead? And how much longer will it stay in print? I, myself, hope that we will be receiving the painter's predictions for a long time.”

You’ll be seeing more of Isaac’s ‘9th Wonder” comic books over the next two episodes. Comic writers and artists finish their work months and months ahead of publishing (or at least that’s the idea – sometimes we run a little late – sorry.) So, what we’re seeing is the posthumous works of Isaac Mendez. Our friend Seth Green is going to discuss that next week in Episode 11, “The Eclipse – Part II.”

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=18931

 

The more you know!

Posted by jestergoblin on 12/01/08 at 09:20 PM

Re: the hospital...

If Noah has pretty much ALWAYS been right, how come no one EVER listens to him?

Posted by Templar on 12/01/08 at 09:21 PM

Awkward transition.

AHAHAHAHA I love 10 year old Hiro.

Posted by jestergoblin on 12/01/08 at 09:23 PM

wow it takes two comic nerds to help this cast

Posted by cyberauron on 12/01/08 at 09:23 PM

I don't really care about this Haiti subplot.  This show just condensed down to fewer plots.  I'm not enthusiastic about it re-expanding.

Posted by Templar on 12/01/08 at 09:24 PM

I didn't know it was so easy for white guys wearing backpacks to sneak into Haitian militia camps.

Posted by CleophusWayne on 12/01/08 at 09:24 PM

CHARLIE!

 

I miss her.

Posted by jestergoblin on 12/01/08 at 09:24 PM

i like the hatian plot over the clair plot

Posted by cyberauron on 12/01/08 at 09:25 PM

Have we seen Nathan do a single politically important thing besides give up his seat?

Posted by Templar on 12/01/08 at 09:25 PM

He sat in it once.

Posted by jestergoblin on 12/01/08 at 09:26 PM

yeah he had an affair with a hooker

Posted by cyberauron on 12/01/08 at 09:26 PM

Actually, I'm not sure if he has...

Posted by jestergoblin on 12/01/08 at 09:26 PM

I was referring to him sitting in it, not the hooker.

Posted by jestergoblin on 12/01/08 at 09:26 PM

I think Parkman's dialogue is just script notes: 'Parkman goes finds Daphne'

Parkman: "I have to go find Daphne."

Posted by CleophusWayne on 12/01/08 at 09:26 PM

That's called improvising

Posted by jestergoblin on 12/01/08 at 09:27 PM

wow she gets hurt and now crying for her daddy, who did not see that coming

Posted by cyberauron on 12/01/08 at 09:27 PM

I loved Parkman's line, when first seeing the leg braces.  "What are those!?"

It's like Snappy Answer to Stupid Questions from MAD Magazine.

Posted by Templar on 12/01/08 at 09:28 PM

yes the two biggest badasses fighting it out

Posted by cyberauron on 12/01/08 at 09:28 PM

Eww. Claire should see a doctor.

 

BOX CUTTER

Posted by jestergoblin on 12/01/08 at 09:29 PM

OMG gretchen screwed them over...

Posted by smeeeeee on 12/01/08 at 09:29 PM

Aaaand cue powers coming back.

Posted by Templar on 12/01/08 at 09:29 PM

...Man, life has made me cynical.

Posted by Templar on 12/01/08 at 09:29 PM

time for a duo resurection

Posted by cyberauron on 12/01/08 at 09:30 PM

apparently sylar has black ink for blood...

Posted by smeeeeee on 12/01/08 at 09:30 PM

When Sylar comes back, he's going to be pissed.

Posted by jestergoblin on 12/01/08 at 09:31 PM

That blood would look smart on some Primatech paper.

Posted by Templar on 12/01/08 at 09:31 PM

if sylar or peter die im done

Posted by rayclark on 12/01/08 at 09:31 PM

prediction: after commercial eclipse is over and no one dies

Posted by HermitHomeboy on 12/01/08 at 09:31 PM

about the comic book again. i thought issacs final painting was how to kill sylar

Posted by cyberauron on 12/01/08 at 09:31 PM

HAHa im guessing deaths without powers dont effect those with the ability to heal.

Posted by tlavan on 12/01/08 at 09:32 PM

I could see the Haitain dying.

Posted by jestergoblin on 12/01/08 at 09:33 PM

@ray if peter dies im good for the rest of the season

Posted by cyberauron on 12/01/08 at 09:33 PM

LET THERE BE LIGHT!

PHOTOSYNTHESIS!

Posted by jestergoblin on 12/01/08 at 09:34 PM

Oh, I must be the smartest man alive or something.

Posted by Templar on 12/01/08 at 09:34 PM

I've got it!!  The Heroes are PLANTS.

WHAT A TWEEST

Posted by Templar on 12/01/08 at 09:34 PM

@jester if he does i want it to be in a big fight

Posted by cyberauron on 12/01/08 at 09:35 PM

Awkward family issues.

Posted by jestergoblin on 12/01/08 at 09:35 PM

Sylar and Elle are going to be awesome.

Posted by jestergoblin on 12/01/08 at 09:36 PM

$5 on Peter getting his powers back.

Posted by jestergoblin on 12/01/08 at 09:37 PM

u all kniw that since history repeats itself daphne is going to die because a rule for heroes is that matt parkman cant be happy

Posted by cyberauron on 12/01/08 at 09:37 PM

@jester - not exactly a risky bet :)

Posted by Templar on 12/01/08 at 09:38 PM

Well, some version of his powers. Maybe back to a blank state?

Indestructable skin isn't indestructable bones.

Posted by jestergoblin on 12/01/08 at 09:39 PM

At least the Haiti subplot is resolved quickly.  I'm cool with that.

Posted by Templar on 12/01/08 at 09:39 PM

MINDRAPE!

Posted by jestergoblin on 12/01/08 at 09:39 PM

wait... im flipping from heroes and prisonbreak.

 

so everyone has there powers back now?? 

Posted by smeeeeee on 12/01/08 at 09:40 PM

wow that got me excited and dissapointed and excited again in 5 seconds

Posted by cyberauron on 12/01/08 at 09:40 PM

Peter's powers are like Spider-Man's webshooters.  They're constantly running out, jamming, or having something happen to them to prevent him from using them properly.  But once the arc is over, they're always still there.

Posted by Templar on 12/01/08 at 09:41 PM

@smeeeeee - Eclipse is over

Posted by Templar on 12/01/08 at 09:41 PM

Booty call!

Posted by jestergoblin on 12/01/08 at 09:43 PM

please let her be hooking up with another guy

Posted by cyberauron on 12/01/08 at 09:43 PM

Oh, good.  Let's bring back all the crappy characters.

Posted by Templar on 12/01/08 at 09:44 PM

Hiro's got a point.

Posted by jestergoblin on 12/01/08 at 09:44 PM

he does

Posted by cyberauron on 12/01/08 at 09:45 PM

Did DC buy all the references? No great power? No responsibility?

Posted by jestergoblin on 12/01/08 at 09:45 PM

@jester - They're making up for all the talk about Red Hulk

Posted by Templar on 12/01/08 at 09:46 PM

oh great now she depressed agsain

Posted by cyberauron on 12/01/08 at 09:47 PM

I suppose.

 

And was that a serious retcon? Or does time travel remedy that?

Posted by jestergoblin on 12/01/08 at 09:47 PM

LET'S GET THIS PARTY STARTED!

Posted by jestergoblin on 12/01/08 at 09:48 PM

HRG has the greatest power of all.

 

Awesomeness.

Posted by jestergoblin on 12/01/08 at 09:49 PM

Aww, Sylar isn't the third Summers brother?

Posted by Templar on 12/01/08 at 09:49 PM

!!  OK.  That was awesome.

Posted by Templar on 12/01/08 at 09:49 PM

THAT WAS THE BEST DEUS EX MACHINA EVER!

Posted by jestergoblin on 12/01/08 at 09:49 PM

BAD MAN!!! !HIRO TOo the rescue!!

 

Posted by tlavan on 12/01/08 at 09:50 PM

now is sylar hiros nemesis. he keeps on showing up to ruin sylars fun

Posted by cyberauron on 12/01/08 at 09:51 PM

Liked that.

Posted by CleophusWayne on 12/01/08 at 09:52 PM

who eslse thought bennet was goign to say gabrielle iam yuour father

Posted by cyberauron on 12/01/08 at 09:52 PM

hey! last posthumos issue!

 

ONE MORE EXISTS!

Posted by jestergoblin on 12/01/08 at 09:53 PM

Lame.

Posted by Templar on 12/01/08 at 09:53 PM

Find the messenger, find the plot!

Posted by Templar on 12/01/08 at 09:54 PM

find the messenger and save the world

Posted by cyberauron on 12/01/08 at 09:54 PM

Puck from Real World San Francisco?

Posted by CleophusWayne on 12/01/08 at 09:54 PM

whya re they letting the hatian run away

Posted by cyberauron on 12/01/08 at 09:55 PM

He's talking about the Ultimates.

Posted by jestergoblin on 12/01/08 at 09:55 PM

Did he just leave him in a jungle in Haiti?

Posted by CleophusWayne on 12/01/08 at 09:56 PM

OMG elle better not die

 

Posted by tlavan on 12/01/08 at 09:57 PM

Poor Elle... I feel bad for her being shot in the tushy.

Posted by jestergoblin on 12/01/08 at 09:58 PM

"Damaged Goods" - great song

Posted by CleophusWayne on 12/01/08 at 09:59 PM

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Posted by jestergoblin on 12/01/08 at 09:59 PM

DAMMIT!!!

Posted by tlavan on 12/01/08 at 10:00 PM

Sylar has flipped sides this season more times that a delicious waffle.

Posted by Templar on 12/01/08 at 10:00 PM

First Charlie, then Elle.

 

Why do they keep destroying all I love?

Posted by jestergoblin on 12/01/08 at 10:01 PM

I refuse to acknowledge that Elle is dead. :(

Posted by Templar on 12/01/08 at 10:01 PM

well we never saw elle die

Posted by cyberauron on 12/01/08 at 10:01 PM

Speaking of dead, so is my battery.  Good night, folks!

Posted by Templar on 12/01/08 at 10:01 PM

Hey NBC promo voice:"It's all been building" is really subjective.

Posted by CleophusWayne on 12/01/08 at 10:02 PM

Must kill Tim Kring

Posted by tlavan on 12/01/08 at 10:05 PM

So did they even bring up how the eclipse brings/disappears powers? I've been watching this the whole time (sorry for no active posts for this) and I dont think one scientific or B.S. answer was given....So much for answers being explained here Conor.

I'll give my thoughts on this a bit later *I'm sure all of you are tuning off your laptops now :)* but this wasnt as good as usual....Oh and why do I have feeling Heroes will lose even more viewers cause of Elle dying? Bad move on your part Kring.

Posted by TheNextChampion on 12/01/08 at 10:16 PM

hmm oretty good next week is gonna be ok i guess

Posted by rayclark on 12/01/08 at 10:30 PM

"An audience member asked about Caitlin, Peter Petrelli's love interest from Season 2, who was last seen left behind in a plague-stricken future – a future that thanks to the re-shot end of "Generations," doesn't exist. Kring revealed that if the strike hadn't cut Season 2 short, the plan was, "to get to [Caitlin] around episode 14 or 15, during 'Exodus'. She was a casualty of that storyline never being told." After the long hiatus during which Heroes was off the air, Kring said, "We realized that going back to [Caitlin] nine and a half months later would have been insanity." He felt that while there would "be some people asking about it, for most people it would have been a hard left [in the story]." When the fan asked if Peter would ever acknowledge Caitlin or express any grief over what seems to be her dire fate, Kring replied, "No, we passed it. We leapfrogged it." He added that when the idea of returning to Caitlin was brought up, they asked, "Really? Are we going to risk that? We have enough stuff to [deal with]."

http://tv.ign.com/articles/931/931067p2.html

Posted by Jimski on 12/01/08 at 11:29 PM

@Jim: Wow, that's shocking....Really...I mean here is a dangling plot thread that you NEVER address and your telling us you cant take a friggen episode or scene to tell us what happenend to her? I guess it's okay to have a Nathan/Peter/Haitian plot or an unnessicary flip flop of Sylar's standing with the characters...but you cant address a character you clearly had no bother to mention again?

Clearly this article best describes how lazy and incompetant these guys really are.

Posted by TheNextChampion on 12/01/08 at 11:36 PM

First thing I have reading comics for a long time and i have never heard of a creator on a ongoing title having almost 2 years worth of books done ahead of the time. it doesn't make sense that Isaac Mendez would have done all this story arc but not his own death (if i remember right the last thing he panted was his own death.) Plus hasn't time been changed a few times between then and now.

While i understand the reasoning  for not going back to Caitlin they could at least do a web series or comic to close the plot hole. to just say we are moving on is just giving us a big peace sign minus one finger.

If it true that creators have two years worth of books done i will be be braking into Geoff Johns house for Flash: Rebirth.

Posted by zerodni on 12/02/08 at 12:25 AM

Okay, watching the first few minutes on Sidereel, I had this train of thought...

"So Sylar and Elle just had sex... but last episode ended with them just kissing... and Noah was scoping them out with his sniper rifle... which means Noah was spying on them kissing but only took a shot after they had sex which means he... and they... and he was... EEEEEEEWWW!!!!!!"

I'm as big a fan of HRG as anybody... but that's just all kinds of wrong right there. 

Posted by Tork on 12/02/08 at 12:30 AM

@Zerodni-the timeline in the show is really only a couple of months, at most a year, since the first episode aired.

Theres a legend I heard from this guy on iFanboy who heard it from another iFanboy who heard it from another iFanboy who heard it from Jeph Loeb that this show is not going to get better any time soon.

And I'm not the only one that wants to rip those damn things off Shuresh's body am I?

Posted by drakedangerz on 12/02/08 at 12:58 AM

@Zerodni-Also, yes some creators are known to be pretty far ahead in their work.  Bendis stated somewhere that he likes being pretty far ahead of his books.  I keep thinking he said at least a year, but I could be wrong.  I don't know if thats normal or not, but it's not unheard of.

Posted by drakedangerz on 12/02/08 at 01:01 AM

@Tork - That's the awesome thing about being a sniper.  I remember a story on the History Channel about a sniper who was scoping his target, but waited for the guy to finish his coffee before he pulled the trigger.

Posted by Templar on 12/02/08 at 01:28 AM

that was some pretty lousy french, in Haiti. That always upsets me. The episode was okay, I mean, the best parts were in the comic shop. I just which they didn't leave Peter in Haiti and did kill Claire instead of Elle. Looking forward to the end of this volume, hope its rewarding. Because, if Bryan Fuller returns to Heroes for "Fugitives", it'll most definitely be good.

Any of you watched Pushing Daisies? That show kicked every ass. (RIP)  

Posted by tittom on 12/02/08 at 06:00 AM

@titom: The problem with Fuller coming back is that....well dont they already have Fugitives locked up with a story? I would imagine that Generations, Villians, and Fugitives was written at around the same time. Especially the first two since that was suppose to be the whole season right there...Until the WGA Strike happenend.

Yeah it was a pretty medicore episode. It wasnt terrible by a long shot, but still nothing is really grabbing me. They got 2, count'em 2, episodes until this part of the season is over...they gotta do something pretty drastic for me to even consider trying Vol. 4 out....that is unless it gets cancelled before they do so. I'm just gald they killed Elle off, I know she's revered as the next Jesus on this site...but what an awful character. She would have mood swings every scene! The more backstory the writers tried to make for her, the worse she got in terms of characterization and meaning within the show. Hopefully they keep Sylar evil permanent this time...you know like how they probably intended for the character the first two seasons.

Posted by TheNextChampion on 12/02/08 at 09:39 AM

Sorry for the double post but:

Is it a good thing or bad thing Seth Green and Breckin Meyer might've gotten them better ratings? I'm sorry, but when a couple of C list celebrities come on...that usually doesnt mean an extra 200,000 viewers. If they are the main reason for a bit of a spike in the ratings then that is pathetic. More people watched the show for a pointless cameo then for the actual story....

Posted by TheNextChampion on 12/02/08 at 09:42 AM

This was bad. Like, seriously, there were points where I was just laughing at the television, and parts where I was screaming at the television. None of which were "supposed to" laughs or screams. This show has gone so completely off the rails. There's no consistency. The mythical legendary last lost comic is ridiculous (I started laughing so hard). Mohinder's insane. Everything on this show is insane melodrama.

I'm with @NextChamp I'm watching the next two episodes and then I'm done. They either pick up or become so bad it's fun or I'm walking.

Also, @NextChamp: I loved Elle's character, but she's inconsistent. I don't blame Elle or Kristin Bell, I blame the  writers. None of their characters are any matter of consistent. That's something that's killing this show.

Posted by GungaDin on 12/02/08 at 12:58 PM

@Gunga: That was my point exactely. I mean Bell is a good actress (although not like a goddess like Paul describes her) but overall the writing of that character got ridiculous. She would go from insane angry to happy or vice versa in every scene. It got silly seeing this girl try to be a responsible person when she's screaming like she belongs in a mental insitution.

Posted by TheNextChampion on 12/02/08 at 01:53 PM

woww, this might be if for me guys, the complete turn arounds in the characterizations of Elle and Sylar finally hit a cord and i think im done.  I may watch it, i may not, but i no longer care for the show or the characters

 Cant wait for LOST to come back on

Posted by TonyStark4prez on 12/02/08 at 03:02 PM

Yea i actually misside half the show and it didnt matter to me. I was just like whatever its unfortunate. Its just gotten so predictable. Im sure noonw was surprised that sylar and claire were gonna get there powers back right after the got killed. I still love the Syler and Elle stuff but now that there not a duo that kind of sucks. Atleast Hiro finally did something besides be lame as hell i wish they would get rid of him so bad. I always am disapointed at the complete lack of using peter whats the point if every season hes gonna loose his powers it makes no sense. Ow well im with the rest of ya two more episodes and im done we will see hopefully there real good.

Posted by SDcomicfan on 12/02/08 at 05:29 PM

these last two episodes have been the best this season.  seems like they're getting things back on track.

Posted by clintaa on 12/02/08 at 09:52 PM

I'm pretty sure Sylar and Elle (you know, smoking hot Veronica Mars) getting all naked and hot together was the reason numbers picked up last week, and this week.  Even the straight guys I talked too were like "Sylar was... like a God last week!"  They'll fuck it up somehow.  They always do.

Posted by CatEyedFox on 12/03/08 at 12:42 PM

People still watch this show ??

Posted by Supernatural17 on 12/03/08 at 01:47 PM

Breckin Meyer was the bomb in Go!

Posted by Eyun on 12/03/08 at 06:22 PM

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