Heroes - S03E07 - Eris Quod Sum
225 Posted on Oct 27, 2008 in articles by Conor Kilpatrick |
Volume Three: Villains
Tonight's episode - Eris Quod Sum
It's usually a good thing when your television show is the cover story of a major America magazine. Not so much this week with Heroes, as Entertainment Weekly's cover story asks: can Heroes be saved? If you haven't read the article, you can find it here on their website.
The articles makes some great points, and I think that the problems with Heroes all pretty much boil down to this: the runaway and unexpected success of the first season caught everyone off guard and altered the creative side of the show. The most egregious example would be the death of characters. Originally, executive producer Tim Kring said that the stakes would be high because there would be real consequences - main characters would die and new people would be introduced all the time. This idea seems to have gone out the window once the first season hit it big. I can imagine the story meetings: "Wait, we're a hit now, we can't kill [insert character here] off!" Now you've got a show that is so bloated with main characters and storylines that they all feel aimless. Now Kring is trying to sell the show as some kind of grand, Dynasty-esque family drama between The Petrellis and The Bennetts and that's just silly.
Can the show come back creatively? Absolultely. With a tightened focus it totally can, but it will require a lot of hard choices by the producers. The more important question is, can the show come back in popularity and in this new age of fractured entertainment, that's far, far less likely.
As always, I look forward to your thoughts, opinions, gripes, live-blogging, etc.
Comments
I say kill Claire, Peter, Tracy, Sylar, and probably Nathan, too. I mean, I for the most part enjoy this season but I'd be really happy if Claire and Peter especially died for good. I'm thinking disintegration, personally.
Posted by Tork on 10/27/08 at 08:24 PM
Yes and no. I like this season far better than season two, and season two was all about introducing new characters... except I hated most of them. And I do still get upset when they kill characters I like, such as Adam or that shape-changing chick... who admittedly I only cared about because she was played by Missy Peregrym. There are some characters I definitely want to keep around (Hiro, Peter, Sylar, Parkman, Daphne), some I really, really, really want to die, including Mohinder, Maya, Claire unless they change her whiney, stupid character and anyone played by Ali Larter... even though I like her better now that her power isn't just schiztophrenia.
I don't need them to constantly be killing and introducing new people. Just... SOME killing.
Posted by Templar on 10/27/08 at 08:25 PM
pick like five caracters to build the show around then kill everyone else. You can always introduce ancallary characters but for tighter storylines less is more.
Posted by wilson6923 on 10/27/08 at 08:43 PM
It's not even the killing of people so much as the constant shifting of powers. It's ridiculous. On top of that, the writers gave abilities to some characters that are so far over the top as to be ridiculous. Peter and Sylar should simply dominate power-wise. What they need is a big reset button that allows them to bring everything back to the baseline.
It's especially funny when you see them thinking 'oh that was a mistake, let's fix it'. So, we get another painter with the ability to see the future, 'dead' characters coming back to life, and people playing their twins (or triplets). Gob Bluth voice: Come on!
One more gripe. It's a show called Heroes, but who are they heroes to? Themselves? Why the hell isn't doing some sort of "morning edition" thing so he can figure out who needs saving every day? Why isn't Parkman actually doing his detective job and solving crimes? What the hell happened to all the interesting story threads from season 1? Wasted.
I'm still watching this season, but the leash is getting short.
Posted by Crippler on 10/27/08 at 08:51 PM
Here we go...
Posted by conor on 10/27/08 at 09:00 PM
"I will not go back in time" should be the new mantra for this show.
Posted by conor on 10/27/08 at 09:02 PM
Thank god, Parkman and Hiro rapping.
Posted by hbkhumanity on 10/27/08 at 09:02 PM
Do you think that Robert Forster has to give Tarantino 10% of his paychecks?
Posted by conor on 10/27/08 at 09:04 PM
Fuck yeah Elle!!
Posted by Templar on 10/27/08 at 09:05 PM
Some kid with a power, say.... the power of exploding when in contact with fire, wanders into a room where a few main characters are fighting and he gets his in the cross fire! Everyone goes boom! The fat can just be burnt away! By exploding teenagers!
Posted by wellthatsalright on 10/27/08 at 09:06 PM
Super hot girlfight? A man can dream can't he
Posted by wilson6923 on 10/27/08 at 09:06 PM
You'd think that if you were a girl who couldn't feel pain and ou lived in a world or super powered heroes and villains, if you came home and saw all your lights flickering you might suspect that something was up. Probably not the best move to just go barging through the front door.
Posted by conor on 10/27/08 at 09:07 PM
They discover that clare's brother has the power to create a pool full of jello. and then the puppet master shows up and voila ratings explosion.
Posted by wilson6923 on 10/27/08 at 09:09 PM
Elle is the wicked witch of the west!
Posted by conor on 10/27/08 at 09:10 PM
I think that my only gripe with Claire is that I don't buy her as a tough, badass chick.
Posted by conor on 10/27/08 at 09:11 PM
Wicked Witch of the West!
Posted by Crippler on 10/27/08 at 09:11 PM
"Probably not the best move to just go barging through the front door."
It's ok. Her character is an idiot, so it fits.
Posted by Templar on 10/27/08 at 09:12 PM
Damn my slower connection speed!
You know.. Claire's mom DOES sort of look like Glenda the Good Witch.
Posted by Crippler on 10/27/08 at 09:12 PM
"What could possibly cayse a father to put his children through so much pain?"
"Have you met their mother?"
Posted by ReiMehari on 10/27/08 at 09:12 PM
Claire's mom also seems decreasingly concerned with Mr Muggles.
Posted by Templar on 10/27/08 at 09:12 PM
I thought Mya was dead. Spider-Mohinder food.
Posted by Crippler on 10/27/08 at 09:13 PM
i loled at "have you met their mother"
Posted by TonyStark4prez on 10/27/08 at 09:13 PM
You know what? We might have found the solution to this show's problems. Have Papa Petrelli go around and depower all the dead weight on the show and then they can exit stage left.
Posted by conor on 10/27/08 at 09:14 PM
shhhhhh sylar time
Posted by TonyStark4prez on 10/27/08 at 09:15 PM
"I've been down this road before.. there's always a hidden agenda"
SO, i'll save you the trouble of convincing me and just jump right in. Come ON hidden agendas! Woohoo!
Posted by Crippler on 10/27/08 at 09:15 PM
Is that the same guy who directed Jaws 2.
Posted by hbkhumanity on 10/27/08 at 09:15 PM
"Don't trash the set, Sylar! It's only one of four that we have!"
Posted by conor on 10/27/08 at 09:16 PM
She's playing favorites again. I love Angela.
Posted by ReiMehari on 10/27/08 at 09:16 PM
mama Peterlli is so good at playing up peoples emotion
Posted by TonyStark4prez on 10/27/08 at 09:17 PM
He took a real shine to the broad that gave him away all those years ago.You would think he would hve been a little more pissed.
Posted by wilson6923 on 10/27/08 at 09:17 PM
Level 5...no better place for us superpowered to escape from.
Posted by mcbaker on 10/27/08 at 09:17 PM
So, Claire will be able to help Elle ... because of.... um... her recent taser use?
Posted by Crippler on 10/27/08 at 09:17 PM
Weird.... a WIZARD OF OZ reference...
Posted by conor on 10/27/08 at 09:18 PM
level 5 is now offically a walk in clinic
Posted by TonyStark4prez on 10/27/08 at 09:18 PM
I hope Sylar kills at least 4 characters.
Posted by hbkhumanity on 10/27/08 at 09:19 PM
I REALLY want to be the meat in a claire elle sandwhich.
Posted by wilson6923 on 10/27/08 at 09:19 PM
ooo Parkman's dad has a heart
Posted by TonyStark4prez on 10/27/08 at 09:19 PM
But back to Level 5 for a moment... seriously, are there just not any guards... doctors... general personel, etc. around there. No one?
Posted by conor on 10/27/08 at 09:19 PM
and hes dead
Posted by TonyStark4prez on 10/27/08 at 09:19 PM
Oh shit!
Posted by ReiMehari on 10/27/08 at 09:19 PM
Okay, I officially like Papa Petrelli.
Posted by conor on 10/27/08 at 09:19 PM
I know this is the Heroes board... BUT... two (3?) weeks ago, The Sarah Conner Chronicles had a complete Wizard of Oz episode too!
Posted by Crippler on 10/27/08 at 09:19 PM
Wow. I expected him to be used more before they killed him.
Posted by Templar on 10/27/08 at 09:20 PM
1 down 20 to go
Posted by wilson6923 on 10/27/08 at 09:20 PM
Just don't kill Daphne, Papa. She's fast and cute.
Posted by Templar on 10/27/08 at 09:20 PM
Maybe the character culling starts with this episode?
Posted by conor on 10/27/08 at 09:20 PM
No more fake Linderman i guess
Posted by TonyStark4prez on 10/27/08 at 09:21 PM
Damn it. I screwed up microwaving my sausages because of you, Heroes. Clearly, that was not at 50% power.
Posted by Templar on 10/27/08 at 09:21 PM
See, that's a senseless death, unless they bring him back somehow. Why use Parkman's dad if he's going to die before even running into his son again?
Posted by Crippler on 10/27/08 at 09:22 PM
Papa is cool...he gets things done on a show the doesn't.
Posted by mcbaker on 10/27/08 at 09:22 PM
I wasn't a fan of Parkmans dad, but I kind of felt bad for him.
Posted by hbkhumanity on 10/27/08 at 09:22 PM
Im offically hopeing for a Sylar/Papa fight
Posted by TonyStark4prez on 10/27/08 at 09:23 PM
Does anybody name their kids Mory anymore?
Posted by conor on 10/27/08 at 09:23 PM
@Crippler My thoughts exactly. Unless Parkman gets mad that his dad died without a chance for reconcilliation, and it motivates him to take his powers up a notch.
Posted by Templar on 10/27/08 at 09:24 PM
Superpowered Road trip
Posted by hbkhumanity on 10/27/08 at 09:24 PM
Maury Povich's parents did!
Posted by Templar on 10/27/08 at 09:24 PM
with 2 blondes
Posted by TonyStark4prez on 10/27/08 at 09:24 PM
oooo poor Parkman's in love
Posted by TonyStark4prez on 10/27/08 at 09:25 PM
Maury Povich was born the same year that Batman first appeared, so... that's not recent. :)
Posted by conor on 10/27/08 at 09:25 PM
SHOOT HIM!
Posted by conor on 10/27/08 at 09:25 PM
I really hope they don't off Ando or Sylar. I don't mind about everyone else.
Posted by ReiMehari on 10/27/08 at 09:25 PM
NICE he knows about his dad now
Posted by TonyStark4prez on 10/27/08 at 09:26 PM
Ah! Dead dad motivation!
Posted by Templar on 10/27/08 at 09:26 PM
I was just about to comment on that.
Posted by ReiMehari on 10/27/08 at 09:26 PM
Papa is offically an awsome villian
Posted by TonyStark4prez on 10/27/08 at 09:27 PM
HAHAHA - That was like Han trying to shoot Vader in EMPIRE.
Posted by conor on 10/27/08 at 09:27 PM
I want someone to have a ridiculous power. Like turning things into pudding.
Posted by Templar on 10/27/08 at 09:27 PM
peter gets new abilitys?
Posted by TonyStark4prez on 10/27/08 at 09:27 PM
They should bring on a guy whose power is that he can draw perfect circles freehand.
Posted by conor on 10/27/08 at 09:28 PM
Aww yeah!
Posted by Templar on 10/27/08 at 09:28 PM
SYLAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by TonyStark4prez on 10/27/08 at 09:28 PM
"Hello Mohinder."
Oh, hell yeah.
Posted by ReiMehari on 10/27/08 at 09:28 PM
"Can we not talk about this now, Peter?"
Posted by conor on 10/27/08 at 09:28 PM
damn mohinder took him out like a punk
Posted by TonyStark4prez on 10/27/08 at 09:29 PM
Damn. Commenting makes the show go by quickly.
Posted by Templar on 10/27/08 at 09:29 PM
I think that the most common fighting tactic on this show is "throw people into the wall."
Posted by conor on 10/27/08 at 09:30 PM
So, did Sylar's powers reset when he lost them at the beginning of season 2, or did he get them all back?
In the future, he used ted's power... but other than that, I haven't seen him use any of the powers we've -seen- him acquire. At least I don't remember that.
Posted by Templar on 10/27/08 at 09:31 PM
That's what brothers do - they stick together.... um, Peter?
*SLAP SLAP slap slap* ..... sound of running feet.
Posted by Crippler on 10/27/08 at 09:31 PM
yeah they took that from smallvilles book, i dont think clark has ever punched someone on that show
Posted by TonyStark4prez on 10/27/08 at 09:31 PM
Like the super-hearing? Whatever happened to that?
Posted by Templar on 10/27/08 at 09:31 PM
That would make a great heros drinking game. have to take a shot everytime someone gets thrown into a wall
Posted by wilson6923 on 10/27/08 at 09:32 PM
@TonyStary4prez - Clark has punched Brainiac and the body of Zod. ... I think that's it. Hoping for more punching this season! Come on Doomsday!
Posted by Crippler on 10/27/08 at 09:33 PM
@wilson and every time Claire makes a bad or impulsive decision. I'd be drunk by the first commercial.
Posted by Templar on 10/27/08 at 09:33 PM
Wait... they've just been sitting there the whole time?
Posted by conor on 10/27/08 at 09:34 PM
lmao weakness for blondes
Posted by TonyStark4prez on 10/27/08 at 09:34 PM
NO PORTABLE ELECTRONIC DEVICES DURING TAKE OFF AND LANDING.
Posted by Templar on 10/27/08 at 09:34 PM
Hmmm... ex-girlfriend who can create fire... That might be my worst nightmare.
Posted by conor on 10/27/08 at 09:34 PM
Oh oh.. time for Mohinder spider babies to hatch!
This scene needs a Hicks.
Game over man! Game over!
Posted by Crippler on 10/27/08 at 09:34 PM
Creed as the joker, hilarious.
Posted by hbkhumanity on 10/27/08 at 09:34 PM
New Spinoff-Clair and Elle-Blondes with Powers
Posted by TonyStark4prez on 10/27/08 at 09:35 PM
See, I told you.
Posted by Templar on 10/27/08 at 09:35 PM
Nice, Claire. Make fun of the jittery flying Electric Girl while you are 30,000 feet up in the AIRPLANE.
Posted by conor on 10/27/08 at 09:35 PM
@Templar.
I believe his powers reset.
Posted by ReiMehari on 10/27/08 at 09:35 PM
out of control electrical powers ride on an airplane brilliant!
Posted by wilson6923 on 10/27/08 at 09:36 PM
Was there not a train they could take? Or a car? I drove from Los Angeles to Upstate New York in three days!
Posted by conor on 10/27/08 at 09:36 PM
If that's what they can accomplish with just hand-holding...
Posted by Templar on 10/27/08 at 09:36 PM
That plane scene annoys me. It's an example of cheap writing.
Posted by conor on 10/27/08 at 09:37 PM
Knox is a creeper
Posted by TonyStark4prez on 10/27/08 at 09:37 PM
I bet the plane was Calire's idea.
Drink!
Posted by Templar on 10/27/08 at 09:37 PM
shes down
Posted by TonyStark4prez on 10/27/08 at 09:37 PM
Um, now I'm not an electrician... but since Claire is touching the plane.... wouldn't the electriciy just pass from Elle to her and into the plane?
Posted by Crippler on 10/27/08 at 09:37 PM
love Parkman
Posted by TonyStark4prez on 10/27/08 at 09:37 PM
OMG NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Posted by TonyStark4prez on 10/27/08 at 09:37 PM
Aw. Parkman was almost awesome there.
Posted by Templar on 10/27/08 at 09:38 PM
Hell yeah! Another one down!
Posted by ReiMehari on 10/27/08 at 09:38 PM
HEROES: SEASON 3, EPISODE 7 - The episode where EVERYONE DIES!
Posted by conor on 10/27/08 at 09:38 PM
i hate knox now
Posted by TonyStark4prez on 10/27/08 at 09:38 PM
tell me parkman made him see that.
Posted by wilson6923 on 10/27/08 at 09:38 PM
You know what the real problem with the show is? All blondes. let's get some redheaded heroes!
Start with that chick from Mad Men.
Posted by Templar on 10/27/08 at 09:39 PM
@conor-lmao
Posted by TonyStark4prez on 10/27/08 at 09:39 PM
Nice to see Parkman building family powers some more.
Posted by mcbaker on 10/27/08 at 09:39 PM
@wilsom6923 - That's a distinct possibilty...
Posted by conor on 10/27/08 at 09:39 PM
yeah that would be good
Posted by TonyStark4prez on 10/27/08 at 09:40 PM
@wilson Is there really a doubt there?
Posted by Templar on 10/27/08 at 09:40 PM
I haven't seen a short clothesline that devastating since BamBam Bigelow!
Posted by Crippler on 10/27/08 at 09:40 PM
How about Alicia Witt? Her power could be to make my pants smaller.
Posted by Templar on 10/27/08 at 09:40 PM
He just killed Parkman like a Terminator
Posted by hbkhumanity on 10/27/08 at 09:41 PM
Okay, guys... let's be adults.
Posted by conor on 10/27/08 at 09:41 PM
Did Daphne die too? Awesome.
Posted by ReiMehari on 10/27/08 at 09:42 PM
nice
Posted by TonyStark4prez on 10/27/08 at 09:42 PM
Oh, fakeout!
Posted by ReiMehari on 10/27/08 at 09:42 PM
im loving Parkman in this episode
Posted by TonyStark4prez on 10/27/08 at 09:43 PM
Major characters are only allowed to die in season finales or during sweeps.
Posted by Templar on 10/27/08 at 09:43 PM
He redecorated too? Also, he is only about ten feet down the hall and the door is open...
Posted by conor on 10/27/08 at 09:43 PM
what power is holding Sylar there?
Posted by TonyStark4prez on 10/27/08 at 09:43 PM
Oh, Sylar. I see you're still HANGING AROUND.
Posted by Templar on 10/27/08 at 09:43 PM
My biggest problem with Heroes seasons 2 and 3 - Why the hell are they still hanging out at that shitty apartment?
Posted by Crippler on 10/27/08 at 09:44 PM
@TonyStark4prez - Telekenesis.
Posted by conor on 10/27/08 at 09:44 PM
@Tony Telekenisis, which Papa got from Peter.
Posted by Templar on 10/27/08 at 09:44 PM
Sylar dont turn to the dark side
Posted by TonyStark4prez on 10/27/08 at 09:44 PM
Jinx.
Posted by conor on 10/27/08 at 09:44 PM
@Crippler Isaac's loft? I think it bothers me that it gets, like, passed down.
Posted by Templar on 10/27/08 at 09:45 PM
ahh i see, didnt even know Peter had that
Posted by TonyStark4prez on 10/27/08 at 09:45 PM
Sylar's always been dark.
Posted by ReiMehari on 10/27/08 at 09:45 PM
are we turning Sylar back into a villain???
Posted by mcbaker on 10/27/08 at 09:45 PM
Maya: "And now, I am leaving forever, going back to South America never to be seen again"
Me: YAY!
Please?
Posted by Templar on 10/27/08 at 09:46 PM
HAHAHAHA
The evil mutants building directory! 5th floor - weapons research, sub-basement -dungeon and oubliettes
Posted by Crippler on 10/27/08 at 09:46 PM
@Tony Peter got it from being near Sylar, so... small world.
Posted by Templar on 10/27/08 at 09:46 PM
reminds me of Mary Marvel..... good 1 day, evil the next
Posted by TonyStark4prez on 10/27/08 at 09:46 PM
Goodbye, Maya! When I was told she was going to be on the show anymore, I assumed it was with last week's "death". Either way, she's gone now.
Posted by conor on 10/27/08 at 09:46 PM
And... cue Claire's blood.
Posted by Templar on 10/27/08 at 09:47 PM
Sylar cant make up his mind on what side he is on
Posted by TonyStark4prez on 10/27/08 at 09:47 PM
Uh oh, Conor. Sylar missed the wall.
Posted by Templar on 10/27/08 at 09:48 PM
I wonder if this is all a trick on Sylar's part....
Posted by ReiMehari on 10/27/08 at 09:48 PM
HEROES: SEASON 3, EPISODE 7 - The episode where EVERYONE DIES!
Posted by conor on 10/27/08 at 09:48 PM
Sylar, like the show, needs to pick a direction.
Posted by hbkhumanity on 10/27/08 at 09:49 PM
@conor-lmao....again
Posted by TonyStark4prez on 10/27/08 at 09:49 PM
@Rei Nah, but he fell right in front of Claire, so he'll be ok.
Posted by Templar on 10/27/08 at 09:49 PM
How are they gonna bs their way out of throwing peter out the window?
Posted by wilson6923 on 10/27/08 at 09:49 PM
@Templar -
Sylar: "Dammit, I thought there was a wall there!"
Papa Petrelli: "That's okay, son. Next time. You just need to learn the layout of the room."
Posted by conor on 10/27/08 at 09:50 PM
I wish Maya had been spider-Mohinder food instead.
Posted by Crippler on 10/27/08 at 09:50 PM
so Claire is going to.....what, start a blood transfuison right on the sidewalk?
Posted by TonyStark4prez on 10/27/08 at 09:50 PM
yay he's "misguided" again...for now. Now, we have a villains arc going on!
Posted by mcbaker on 10/27/08 at 09:51 PM
@Templar - Let me have my hope!
@Conor - Ha!
Posted by ReiMehari on 10/27/08 at 09:51 PM
She just has to get some of her blood in his blood. Doesn't have to be a whole lot.
Posted by Templar on 10/27/08 at 09:51 PM
does a window count if so
drink
Posted by wilson6923 on 10/27/08 at 09:51 PM
Wait, WHAT?
Posted by Templar on 10/27/08 at 09:51 PM
no way he only got that hurt
Posted by TonyStark4prez on 10/27/08 at 09:52 PM
Um... yeah, no. He should be street pizza.
Posted by conor on 10/27/08 at 09:52 PM
THE EMPEROR HAS NO CLOTHES!
Posted by PaulMontgomery on 10/27/08 at 09:52 PM
Good question... How is Peter still alive?
Posted by ReiMehari on 10/27/08 at 09:52 PM
lol that was a funny line
Posted by TonyStark4prez on 10/27/08 at 09:52 PM
Okay, well they acknowledged it... so... there's an explanation coming. I'll grant them that.
Posted by conor on 10/27/08 at 09:52 PM
Three's company.
Posted by ReiMehari on 10/27/08 at 09:53 PM
Hmm. So it's looking like it may be a trick by Sylar after all.
Posted by Templar on 10/27/08 at 09:53 PM
Ok, or not.
Posted by Templar on 10/27/08 at 09:53 PM
This episode is awsome but wtf!?!
Posted by wilson6923 on 10/27/08 at 09:53 PM
Maybe Sylar floated him down at a slower rate to fool Papa. Although Papa is not an idiot...
Posted by conor on 10/27/08 at 09:54 PM
lol yes Sylar still playing for the right team
Posted by TonyStark4prez on 10/27/08 at 09:54 PM
I think Sylar is totally working undercover.
Posted by conor on 10/27/08 at 09:54 PM
mabey
Posted by TonyStark4prez on 10/27/08 at 09:54 PM
Ha! It was an act!
Posted by ReiMehari on 10/27/08 at 09:55 PM
Ok, I guess he did, but the way they wrote it made no sense.
Posted by Templar on 10/27/08 at 09:55 PM
lol dads alive
Posted by TonyStark4prez on 10/27/08 at 09:55 PM
"Disturbing the peace? I got thrown out of a window! What's the fuckin' charge for getting pushed out of a moving car, huh? Jaywalking"
Posted by conor on 10/27/08 at 09:55 PM
Good. Maybe Nathan will get killed.
Posted by Templar on 10/27/08 at 09:56 PM
They better not kill Nathan, he's one of the best actors on the show.
Posted by conor on 10/27/08 at 09:57 PM
African Isaac!
Posted by Templar on 10/27/08 at 09:57 PM
Nathan is one of the good ones
Posted by TonyStark4prez on 10/27/08 at 09:57 PM
Oh, yeah, I forgot - Hiro is on this show!
Posted by conor on 10/27/08 at 09:58 PM
oh and i though Hiro wasent going to be in this episode
Posted by TonyStark4prez on 10/27/08 at 09:58 PM
Hiro's going on a peyote trip!
Posted by conor on 10/27/08 at 09:58 PM
Nathan should have been dead two times over. I would have been sad to see him gone two seasons ago. Now...eh.
Posted by ReiMehari on 10/27/08 at 09:58 PM
i love how Hiro dosent even like to use his own power
Posted by TonyStark4prez on 10/27/08 at 09:59 PM
Actually, I just don't like how they've used Nathan. Same with Claire. And if they're not going to use them well, kill em! :D
Posted by Templar on 10/27/08 at 09:59 PM
2 weeks....damn
Posted by TonyStark4prez on 10/27/08 at 09:59 PM
Oh. That SNL special is next week.
Posted by Templar on 10/27/08 at 09:59 PM
so-so episode in my opinon
Posted by TonyStark4prez on 10/27/08 at 10:00 PM
What is this "before" business?
Posted by ReiMehari on 10/27/08 at 10:00 PM
Decent story, sloppy execution.
Posted by Templar on 10/27/08 at 10:00 PM
Okay, one good thing that this episode did was take like three seperate storylines and merge them into one. So now we've basically got an A-plot and a B-plot. That was a good and important bit of streamlining.
Next week we go back in time and that's something to look forward to, when they did that previously (with the episode that focused on HRG's early days) that was one of the best episodes of the entire series.
Posted by conor on 10/27/08 at 10:01 PM
another "4 Months Ago" type episode, im guessing
Posted by TonyStark4prez on 10/27/08 at 10:01 PM
Prequels! Everybody loves prequels!
Posted by Templar on 10/27/08 at 10:01 PM
@Templar - When they did a prequel episode before it was one of the best episodes, maybe the best one, they ever did.
Posted by conor on 10/27/08 at 10:02 PM
I love Prequels...as long as the words Wars, or Stars isent in the title
Posted by TonyStark4prez on 10/27/08 at 10:02 PM
Ando is the Jar Jar of these prequels
Posted by Crippler on 10/27/08 at 10:03 PM
Ando-Weesa People going to die?
Posted by TonyStark4prez on 10/27/08 at 10:04 PM
Canadian trailer showed a shot of the Nathan car crash from 4 months ago, and Gabriel in the future acting very friendly with Elle. Methinks she's Little Noah's mother.
Posted by whoisfriend on 10/27/08 at 10:04 PM
Conor I completely agree can't wait to see where they take it.
Posted by wilson6923 on 10/27/08 at 10:05 PM
I think that this episode was good for what it was... this seems to be the first indication that they recognize some of the problems and are doing things to rectify them.
Posted by conor on 10/27/08 at 10:07 PM
I had hope that they would kill Claire off this season.
Posted by ReiMehari on 10/27/08 at 10:10 PM
Nevre gonna happen. She's the face of the show.
Posted by conor on 10/27/08 at 10:14 PM
And by "never" I mean "no time soon".
Posted by conor on 10/27/08 at 10:19 PM
dammit gotta wait 2 fucking weeks. but lots of twists and turns in this ep. i had like 3 heart attacks
Posted by rayclark on 10/27/08 at 10:44 PM
If they make it seem like a character almost dies one more time im done with this show.
Posted by bakerskater on 10/27/08 at 11:06 PM
@Conor
I should have used quotes... that was fromThe Simpsons. The episode where Homer and Mel Gibson are making movies together.
And for my money, I think the best episode ever was "Five Years Gone", the first future episode.
Posted by Templar on 10/28/08 at 12:36 AM
I feel like a need a score card after this episode to keep track of who is in league with whom. So <a href=”http://vacelts.newsvine.com/_news/2008/10/27/2046358-alliegences-formed-broken-on-heroes-eris-quod-sum”>many alliances were formed, broken and double crossed</a> in this episode that I’m not sure who is on whose side anymore.
The best line of the whole night was when Mohinder asks Arthur how he could put his son through his fake death. Arthur replies “Have you met their mother?”
The episode title Eris Quod Sum means “I am what you will be” and I understand that it’s a motto often used on gravestones. Does that mean there will be more deaths?
I loved when Lyle doused Elle with water – apparently it not only put a damper on her power, but her chronic bad mood. Unfortunately, I’m not impressed with Elle’s latest storyline.
Posted by vacelts on 10/28/08 at 12:40 AM
I want Arthur Petrelli to say "We're on a misson from God" just once.
Posted by Tork on 10/28/08 at 01:02 AM
I have so much and so little to say about this episode. I really, really hated it. It was just awful and bad writing. Awful and bad. I'm watching next week, but begrudgingly. They need to not blow it. I want to like this show, but I just can't.... I hated this.
Posted by GungaDin on 10/28/08 at 01:59 AM
The show is so bad it has become enjoyable to me, a guilty pleasure. Much in the same way that Sarah Conor, Alias, and Lost are....... In Sulu's words, "if my partner sucked this much I would never leave my chateau....
Posted by UncleBob on 10/28/08 at 03:49 AM
I would'nt mind if a few characters died. The only characters I don't want to see go are Matt, Nathan, Hiro, Ando, Mr. Bennett, Elle, Daphne and Papa Petrelli. And Sylar, as long as he goes back to being evil, and not this shades of gray, can't stop himself wimp.
And that is the problem with this show. Too many characters that I don't care about and would'nt mind seeing them leave. That's a major problem when half your cast is disliked by so many people.
Posted by Kory on 10/28/08 at 03:57 AM
time travel is a big problem with many shows and movie franchises (star trek.) it is an uncreative way to attempt a compelling story line. terrible, but I understand the new star trek also utilises this gimmick.
Posted by UncleBob on 10/28/08 at 04:05 AM
Time travel isn't a problem, inherently, it's how it is used (or misused) which is the problem.
Posted by conor on 10/28/08 at 04:07 AM
I guess I really want to love this show. If at the end of this season it hasn't improved, I give up. Still, glad to see Elle back.
No Fringe tonight ><
(yeah, Fringe is way better)
There is a reason that Sylars real name is GREY, its not supriseing that they want Sylar to be on the good team because he's such a great draw but.. I think they can easily change him from semi good back to bad when its needed. At this time he's needed as a hero so he is one. At the end of the year when they confront Arthur Petrelli they then can do the choose your side (Luke i am your father :) ) story and we will see what happens then. I am still enjoying the show, i never have cared what the critics say (Because half the time they dont have a bloody clue anyway!!) But yes Maya had to go , dam bad character!! Yes they do need to kill more people off as there are just too many cast members. It might not be the worst thing to restrict Hiro's ability so that he can stop time and teleport but not travel in time, it really is being misused in the show.
Posted by conor9935 on 10/28/08 at 09:35 AM
@conor9935 The X-men fan in me feels compelled to point out that Sylar's real name is actually "Gray," not "Grey". The red-headed telepath clan informs me they want no part of him ;).
Posted by ohcaroline on 10/28/08 at 10:28 AM
Still enjoying the show. Reading the above it's interesting how opinions on acting and who should die differ so much. I like the people switching sides, it makes it much more involving than simple bad v good. Many are just out for themselves. Elle has never switched allegiances. She just wants her powers gone because she's living in pain. Sylar is so hungry for a mother's affection that he'll believe anything she says. He wants a family. We saw him in the future with a family and what happened when it was taken from him.
Trying to doublecross a mindreader seems iffy. I like Parkman being effective. I hope he reads Daphne's mind, knows she's working for Pappa P, knows she's only doing it in fear of his life, lets her play it out to get to a position where he can hurt Pappa P.
I agree with Conor. This was a good episode for streamlining plot. Wise decision to stay away from Hiro so everything else had more time.
Posted by Tad on 10/28/08 at 10:56 AM
I felt like this was the worst episode of the season. I just found myself going, "gah Jesse Alexander you stink!"
And the "cliffhanger"?? Is Hiro going to be okay? Well yeah, we KNOW he is. Parkman's already done the drugged up future walk.
But even after hating the entire episode I'm excited for more. Call me crazy.
Posted by CAM on 10/28/08 at 12:34 PM
I enjoyed this episode and, like Conor pointed out, I am glad they took the time to streamline the plot and pull it all back into a more focused story. I think they will benefit from that.
They introduced some good premises in my opinion as well. Was it Sylar who eased Peter's fall so that he didn't die or is Peter got something else "special" about him? Could Sylar possibly be working "under cover"? Will we finally get to see Nathan become somewhat badass? If Elle chooses to have her powers taken will there even be a use for her anymore?
I think this was a solid episode and definitely kept the show moving in the right direction.
Of course I am not as hard on TV shows or quick to judge like it seems most people are. I am still overjoyed that the entertainment industry still has room for shows like this. Who would have ever thought there would be a weekly primetime show like this? Yes it has suffered...but I would much rather have it, stumbles and all, than for it to not be on the air at all.
The good still far outweighs the bad for me.
Posted by MaddieDaddy on 10/28/08 at 02:21 PM
@MaddieDaddy - Not that this is the case with HEROES, but you shouldn't accept lower quality just because a super hero TV show exists. That's the same line of thinking that says people shouldn't complain about bad super hero movies. There's no incentive to make good product when the makers know that the audience will accept anything just so they feel a sliver of approval.
Posted by conor on 10/28/08 at 02:50 PM
@Conor - Yeah I understand that and I am sure there would come a point even for me that if it got so bad I would not watch it anymore. But what I was saying, more for just me, is that I am not quick to look for those things. It seems that some people watch a show intentionally looking for holes and flaws. They proceed to pick it apart to the point where, of course it is not enjoyable. Not that anyone should keep their opinions to themselves because they are obviously free to express those. But there are things that jump out at me and that I get a little frustrated at. But I was saying it is more in my nature to let that stuff go, as long as it is not dragging the show down and as long as I have more positive points about it all then negative. But I try really hard to not get myself to a point where I am so critical that I remove all enjoyment for myself.
Posted by MaddieDaddy on 10/28/08 at 10:40 PM
Just watched the episode... thank you DVR!! I do enjoy the way this plot is progressing, but I do also agree there could be some trimming of deadweight... I guess that's the hazard of 20-some episode seasons.
I guess the first thing I'd change is that Sylar and Peter are simply way too powerful. This was a mistake from the first season... it would make Arthur Petrelli seem that much more dangerous had we not already seen two all-powerful characters.
Posted by JD on 10/29/08 at 11:53 AM
Speaking of things that the producers/writers/ actual characters have forgotten: What the crap happened to Nathan's wife and children. He has two little boys if memory serves, and a hot ass wife. I mean she's not BLONDE so maybe Nathan's just forgotten about her in the whirlwind of sexy blondes he's slept with. Was she even in the second season? I liked her and honestly all I want is some confirmation that she left his crazy, slutty ass and is living in like Brooklin with her family or something. ANYTHING!
Posted by CatEyedFox on 10/29/08 at 01:36 PM
@CatEyedFox - In an episode, I believe it was last season, they talk about how they have gotten a divorce and it even shows Nathan going up to the fence at his kid's school and trying to talk to them and he is told he is not supposed to be there.
Posted by MaddieDaddy on 10/29/08 at 02:49 PM
I couldn't agree more time has definitely come to trim the fat as they say. I think scaling down the cast would totally help with tighting up the storylines.
Posted by wilson6923 on 10/27/08 at 08:10 PM